2 full moon's a month

[craney]

from what i have gathered while playing on planet mado is that sayain's only get 1 full moon a month and devils get to transform twice a month so why is it like that would any one like it if they were full moons twice a month and why to you answer.

[Kenji]

From what i have gathered while playing on planet mado is that saiyan's only get 1 full moon a month. Devils get to transform twice a month. Why is it like that? Would anyone like it if there were full moons twice a month? *and why to you answer.*<---Edited by---Kenji

Look I fixed some of this for ya. But what does this last part say?

[Red]

I'd rather not have any full moons.

[AkuTenshi]

Look Craney,

First off, Kenji is a really nice guy for helping fix your grammar, it kinda sucks.

Second, the devils star is a fictional work created by Akira Toriyama and his fellow writers. Therefore it can rotate however often it wants. On the other hand, the moon is found in real life and we follow the calendar moon which was posted on the front page for everyone to see. Thats just fact.

Third, Saiyans get SSJ controlled transformations later in the round and bonuses when they lose a fight. Over the years we have simply found it easier to give saiyans Oozaru only when there is a real-life full moon to ensure they do not overpower themselves too early in the game. At the end of every round, the Saiyan is always the one to be the strongest, its just how it is.

Therefore, dont worry. It has always been this way, and I assure you that the saiyans will still be strong and in the lead toward the end. Go, frolic, and maybe even lose a few battles, and you will find that you are plenty balanced in the grand scheme of things.

[craney]

Sorry about the grammer I was in a hurry, but I just wanted to know if there was anythink that I could do to make it 2 times a month. Another idea I just thought of is that instead of gettng another moon in the month, we would have to learn the tecknique controll oozaro to be able to know what's going on in our fight's and controlling our charecter during battle this would make it more intresting in how to learn oozaro. Maybe it could be hard to find a master to learn it to us.

[Reno]

The timed transformations, Devil's Star and Full Moon Oozaru's, are not in a competition. Saiyans, and half saiyans, can do perfectly fine without ever using the Full Moon. Sure it can help them, but they don't even need it really. Devil's, on the other hand, rely on their timed transformation. The devil's source of all their power is the Devil's Star. Without it, they have nothing.

I think the way we handle Full Moons is fine. However, I'm up for ideas on how to change the Devil's Star. I have considered suggesting ideas before. Instead of only having it twice a month, I thought it would be cool if they had it every single Friday(Basically 4 times a month), or whatever day. The downside would be that the Devil's powerlevel would only be multiplied by 6 instead of 12.
We also talked about having the Devil Star's distance change every single day, making the multiplier number change as well. It sounds cool, but I just like the player's to have some idea what's happening instead of just letting the ref decide every day.

[Reno]

OH, there is the move Moon Ball in-game. Basically, a Saiyan could go Oozaru every single day, where as a Devil has a max of 2 days per month, and every player knows these days to avoid them.

Trust me, Saiyans and halfies don't need any help with Full Moons.

[craney]

In that case I would not mind having it like that, if they was ony getting x by 6 because it wouldent be 2 mutch of a advantage or disadvantage.

By the way reno can you reply to my message,
I want to ask you somethink to do with my charecter.

[Reno]

Right, I need to update you... I seen Teen Gohan sent out some emails last night/today, so I plan on sending out the remaining peoples soon. (I always get lost on the forums)

[Kenji]

Yeah I mean take me for example. Getting powerful quickly on my own and never used the full moon to my benefit. I'd rather it be a little tougher on myself then to have no idea whats going on if I transform.

[Red]

I lke Reno's last idea, it would make people actually want to be Devils.

[craney]

Like I said in a earlier post, we could have a tecknique that would make us able to learn to controll oozaro.

But I understand what you mean about liking to challenge youself more, it makes it intresting to wether you win or lose.

[Kenji]

Yeah but you see later on in DBZ they lost their tails. Everything they gained was thanks to themselfs not Oozaru. They trained and learned SSJ without oozaru.

[craney]

Yeah but you see later on in DBZ they lost their tails. Everything they gained was thanks to themselfs not Oozaru. They trained and learned SSJ without oozaru.

They never lossed their tails they had them specialy removed, well I know goku did anyway he had his remove by kami before his fight with piccolo in the tournement.

Apart from that you are correct, they got strong perfectly fine without their tailes.

[Kenji]

By lost I meant removed. I know they didn't just fall off. In dragonball they had to be cut off. So thus, that much I know

[Reno]

Goku's tail was removed for good by Kami before a world tournament(He had it cut off a few times before that, but it always grew back. Once by Paur, and once by his Grandpa Gohan). Kami made a deal that he would restore the moon, that jacky chun AKA master roshi destroyed in a previous tournament to stop the oozaru Goku, if Goku would agree to have his tail removed forever.

Gohan's tail was pulled out by Piccolo once, while training for the Saiayns arrival(Although that episode might have been filler). It grew back in the fight vs the Saiyans, and then was removed for good when Vegeta threw a destructo disc-like attack at the oozaru Gohan.

Vegeta's tail was cut off my yajirobie, and never grew back.


Now... I don't understand why Goku's grew back, but Vegeta's never did. I heard a theory once that a Saiyan has to be around a Full Moon source for it to grow back. Not sure if I believe that though. Honestly, I think it's just one of the many plot holes in DBZ.

[craney]

I agree totally, I for one would of realy liked it if they done more episodes and maybe had another villain in the series because it would of just made the show perfect.

But also they needed to show evrything that was going on, why not explain why vegita and gohon's tail never grown back.

I think it was because they personally got exited in all the great ideas they could of had that they missed it out by axident and proberly realised their mistake later on in the series, but never got round to sorting it out.

[cmaster17]

Yeah I mean take me for example. Getting powerful quickly on my own and never used the full moon to my benefit. I'd rather it be a little tougher on myself then to have no idea whats going on if I transform.

Reno,if the devil star would be every Friday with a x6 pl gain,would we get saibamen seeds then too? If so I like that idea,if not,then I don't think its worth it

[Reno]

Well... I don't think Devil's deserve two additional Saibamen Seeds a month. So I guess they would still only get them on the 5th and 18th, or maybe just the 1st and 3rd Friday(Or whatever) of each month.

I don't think Devil's need to be made any stronger or weaker from a change to the Devil's Star. I just think something new that's about even with what we do now would be cool. I really have no problem with how it's done now at all.

[Roner]

Devils are extremely powerful the way they are, its almost too easy to make them overpowered.

Back to Oozaru though, Craney, what is it that you want to accomplish with this idea? Anytime you suggest something its very important to explain why you think it should be done. You should mention why you personally feel that something is currently unbalanced.

As far as comparing that transformation to Devils transformation... there shouldn't be any. You need to look at a whole picture when comparing races. Remember, you get bonuses to fighting/training/sparring. And more importantly, the ability to get +50% to your base pl for getting between 0-5% of your base pl. Devils just get an additional transformation for the month (and devil seeds).

I'm not even getting into Super Saiyan... just know once a Saiyan achieves it, its a huge advantage that devil can never really catch up to, which is why they have a better early game than a Saiyan.

[smithi]

i realy agree with roner on that one.

[Ryujin]

Hmmmm, I think, looking at the numbers, I would prefer a devil's star every Wednesday at 8 or 10x PL. I don't feel this would be over powered. To make it easy, change the saibamen to every other Wednesday. I say Wednesday because it is in the middle of the week, sometimes weekend updates are more difficult to receive. I think 8x or 10x still wouldn't be overpowered. I know some decent players who have played/currently play devils and they aren't too strong at their current state.

My vote goes for every Wednesday get an 8x devil star and a saibaman seed every other Wednesday.